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Stanislav Shushkevich, a signatory to agreements Bialowieza, the first leader of the Belarusian independent state, he said that the West forgets about those who fight in Belarus for liberty, democracy and the European future of the country . According to him, contrary to conditions for the real West demonstrates the belief that it can reclaim many years dykatatora or its associates, such as the head of the Central Election Commission, which since 1996 monitors the falsification of elections. He calls this attitude pseudopragmatyzmem.
Stanislav Shushkevich warned that Alexander Lukashenko can immediately be called to order by Moscow – Vladimir Putin has for doing all the necessary instruments. – Alexander Lukashenko maintained with the help of Russia. It does everything you need Vladimir Putin – otherwise would not have remained in power – said Stanislav Szuszkiewcz.
” It’s close military cooperation of Russia and Lukashenko “
the pro-European opposition is annihilated economically
the first leader of independent Belarus asked for intensified last wave of economic repression against the opposition insisted that all the time they place such actions. He himself for many years received a pension worth tens of cents. To earn a living he gave lectures, taught.
But now, he says, this is no longer possible, including health reasons.
Recently, Stanislav Shushkevich was fined for taking part in the meeting of the Belarusian opposition. This kind of penalties that exceed the value of the Belarusian salaries, also receive other Belarusian opposition and independent activists. They do not pay them, because they consider that they are innocent, otherwise it is not real, because some are dozen or so such penalties. Parts of it seized part of their wealth towards penalties. This raises concerns that the Belarusian authorities can again put them in prison.
The first leader of the Belarusian state warned Russia – he believes hybrid warfare in Ukraine could, under adverse circumstances, escalate into a normal conflict.
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PolskieRadio.pl: the conference, which hosted the pan in Warsaw, the central question was, what should be the response of Europe, the West, the problem of authoritarian systems of power. It is also a question of Belarus. What should be the policy of Europe towards Belarus? What would you in this situation handled?
Stanislav Shushkevich sentenced in absentia to a fine
Stanislav Shushkevich, the first head of the Belarusian independent state, a signatory to the Bialowieza agreements with the collapse of the Soviet Union: Politics Europe may now have two options. The first is pragmatic – rather pseudopragmatyzm. The second is to preserve respect for European values, which we saw earlier.
According to my understanding of the situation – now prevails pseudopragmatyzm. That is: he wants to show that you have to take into account the realities, but at the same time to forget about some of them, that is, for example, that Alexander Lukashenko inhuman methods came to power, that disappeared without a trace in our important politicians, etc. This erases all the consciousness and starts as if from the beginning, with a clean slate. I feel that Europe, the West just do that.
As for the Polish – until recently thought differently, but after hearing the opinion of famous people, to my great chagrin, it seems that what he’s doing now ruling elite, He did not meet its approach at a time when it was in opposition and which had only praise.
in fact, the other policy reedukowania wolf and urging him to vegetarianism .. to my great regret, I got the impression that was adopted just such approach.
for what actions the European Union or liczyłaby Polish democratic opposition in Belarus? What are the demands?
There is such a concept as the dignity of man. I wanted him to mention specifically. We always we looked to the West for a civilized, one might say: the Christian structure, which appreciates the values of Christianity.
And now it turns out that Europe rejects and morality, spirituality, and all other attitudes and approaches – in addition pragmatism.
Grief to think about it, in the knowledge that our situation in Belarus is the extraction of a deep abyss, and now this abyss is still getting worse.
In Belarus, it is anti-democratic regime, the state who does not want to have anything to do with the law, police state. I mentioned more than once that Belarus policemen, employees of power structures is 10 times more per capita than for example in Finland and much, much more, than it is in Poland. It has all stopped paying attention.
Even more – in the West see some strengthening in our military structures, which hold the Belarusian nation in check – no one on it does not respond. In the opinion of the local political interests of the West at this no gain. But I think they are wrong. Because you need them to be to do everything to have a good neighbor, Belarus, the democratic rule of law.
In my opinion, the West had forgotten even that once consisted of such statements.
Mr. meanwhile once again suffered. You have been sentenced for taking part in a session of the Belarusian National Congress. Did you get a very high fine. Other pro-European and democratic activists also still are repressed, they receive huge penalties to accumulate, because the first did not recognize attributed them to win, the second one in Belarus is not able to pay the penalties. Pro-European activists are subject to harassment.
Such activities take place all the time, not just now. But I never wanted to talk about their own problems, present them to the public.
Once again, 7-8 years ago, I was able to win one of the processes. This happened because the two militiamen written protocols that called for breaking the law etc. Meanwhile, I had to confirm my point in a video. The administrative hearing lasted seven hours – and usually takes 15-20 minutes. Finally, the judge could not pass judgment.
Now resorted to another way. I could not come to the hearing on May 24, because they chose to Warsaw for a conference. I wanted to notify the court, but no did not answer the phone. I judged me in my absence – I was on the spot, przedstawiłbym evidence that it is completely unacceptable action from the point of view and the Belarusian legislation. But in the meantime – found that you have to judge me and so done.
And to clearly aware of all what is the level of this lie, I must tell you about another case. Once, two police wrote in the minutes that a man shouted at the meeting to “overthrow” – and he was at that time in Warsaw. When presented documents showing that, all were silent. But no such thing is not ashamed. Of course, none for something not answered, the militiamen have not been convicted or punished for lying and forgery. According to the law, the punishment should reach them, but that did not happen.
And this is the practice in Belarus.
The repression against the democratic opposition intensifying. Power penalty oppositionists very large fines for having come to meetings. Previously, these were arrests, now, as presumed, many commentators, Alexander Lukashenko refrain from closing the opposition in jail, because he hopes for the financial support of the West. However, all these financial penalties, not to pay, they can have a very bad final.
What are you still talking about repression? I do not want and never liked to talk about himself. However, for 12 years my pension in Belarus with $ 7 fell to 30 cents. Also they said that the great repression … But then I was able to work, I work and in Poland, and Russia, and other countries, to make a living. Now harm health – it does not allow me to have access to a large range of such a possibility.
As for repression, which you’re talking about – you need to be aware that in our country there is no legal justice. The law of the phone – and nothing else. And at the same time in the West – as a repeat prevails pragmatism and pseudopragmatyzm. That’s a bad combination.
European values, which for us was a signpost how to proceed, now are not visible, you can not see them in practice, do not exist in the West.
I’m afraid also, that Poland, which had always taken a very good attitude towards Belarus, departs from it. Is interested pragmatism, suits her such an attitude, which recently got a lot to say? I’m not sure if it really happens in Warsaw? However, such a risk exists.
The Lord is in the organizing committee of the Belarusian National Congress. It is an attempt to unite the opposition – a pro-European and democratic.
Yes, it is an attempt to unite the opposition. Few days ago in Brussels by representatives of our Congressional committee.
This is a largely Western guilt that he does not accept the united opposition, and indicate its “better.” According to him, it is better and worse union – prefer those who better speak English better write grant applications.
Unfortunately, in the West there is little understanding of what now takes place in Belarus.
What else are the objectives of creation of the Belarusian National Congress?
the aim is to unite the opposition and prepare an action plan in these conditions, when the elections only bear the name. to show that they are forged, we have a common list of candidates, so that one person opposed (in the district) representative government.
This, however, did not succeed. It will be chaos, in which power again assign a 70-90 percent of the vote, and 2-3 percent It will be for representatives of the opposition. It all operations of special services, not elections. There is no counting of votes. Europe not once stated that – talked about this many times its representatives. However, once again he forgot about it – not the first time ..
And this is actually an insult to the opposition that a representative of important European institutions covers in front of the television cameras head of the Central Election Commission, Lidziją Yarmoshyna, who forged all the choices for each together. He is the chief forger, and here in the West recognize it as someone who can educate, re-educate. This can not be done. It is impossible. Such people generally can not show trust. A West states that they correspond to their interests. Pragmatic interests? I do not know really, that is.
in Belarus would be to change the electoral law and the change of President of the Central Electoral Commission.
In Belarus there has been any change in legislation. The results falsified are the least by the fact that five days before the election takes early voting, which can not be monitored.
When once the inspection was conducted in one of the places, then it turned out that Andrei Sannikau won the election – received 42 percent , Lukashenko 33 percent. And in other places Alexander Lukashenko got more than 80 percent of the vote.
You sign the act of dissolution of the USSR.
It would be a long conversation!
Yes. But now, after 25 years, how do you think it’s heading Belarus? What it will be in the long run?
Russia sends troops to the West, the boundaries Belarus and Ukraine
I am sure that Belarus will be independent and truly Belarusian. Unfortunately, however, we are waiting for it will be long. It’s a long process.
Today Alexander Lukashenko remains in power with the help of Russia. It does everything you need Vladimir Putin. This means that it works in a way antybiałoruski. All the time that functioned. There is no change in its policy. It is totally dedicated to Russia, otherwise he could not survive.
Russia may one day show Lukashenka in his place. All instruments Putin has in hand – gas, oil.
Even the question of the Ukrainian scenario.
In Belarus, this will not be. In Ukraine, it was different, where power was transferred to different people. Elected presidents. They were falsifications, activities were the oligarchs, but they do not govern the situation completely. We were not elections. Always as a result of secret police won by Alexander Lukashenko.
What will be the Ukraine?
That’s a tough question. It takes hybrid warfare. If the situation develops badly – and will be a normal war. You can not stand up to the Russian onslaught, this is not possible. And the cheapest weapon that Russia has – is a human life. Russia has never regretted the lives of their citizens, when she wanted to get some territory.
During the war, Russia just to move the front just a few kilometers away did not regret the lives of thousands of people. No one even noticed that they died. And Moscow will always operate on this principle.
Is the West can do something about this situation?
West nothing here can not do, because there shall be different philosophy . If the West embarked on military action – then yes. However, this does not happen, because nobody in the West does not choose politicians who would lead the war.
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With Stanislav Shushkevich spoke Agnieszka Kaminska, PolskieRadio.pl
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Informacje about Belarus: Belarus Report, a service portal PolskieRadio.pl
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