“We should be afraid of Donald Trump. A perfect example is his statement about NATO. Trump has repeatedly said that NATO is an alliance that is now unnecessary. We as Poles know that is needed more than ever before, “- he says in Philadelphia on the occasion of the convention of the Democratic Party Dariusz Barcikowski, vice president of the national council of ethnic Democratic Party. He talked to him our American correspondent Paul Żuchowski.
Paul Żuchowski RMF FM: Who will win the elections in the autumn?
Dariusz Barcikowski: I think that wins the election Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is a very specific candidate, the candidate who really divided America. It seems to me that shows unrealistic face of America. It seems to me that voters are increasingly aware that his policy and his plans are unrealistic, lead to the total destabilization of the country.
Will the Poles should be afraid of Donald Trump?
I think so. A perfect example is his statement about NATO. Trump has repeatedly said that NATO is an alliance that is now unnecessary. We as Poles know that is needed more than ever before. NATO Summit in Warsaw was the perfect proof.
What can then offer us Hillary Clinton? As you know, many of our compatriots living here in the US is angry at her husband for what he said about Poland and Polish democracy.
It seems to me that the words of her husband’s not exactly reflect its policies, and Bill Clinton is known that several times during this campaign that he had previous such statements, which were a little controversial, even shocking. But it seems to me that Hillary Clinton can we ensure a strong America, and in the interest of Polish is strong America, looking like a very strong is our alliance with the US and how much is needed this alliance Poland and America. So Hillary Clinton could definitely provide a strong America. It seems to me that for Poles living here, of course we are interested in what is happening in Poland and the relations between the Polish and America, but we must be interested in our everyday life here. Our prosperity. Here it is mentioned reforms of economic policy, access to health care to education. It seems to me that is very important immigration reform that is necessary in this country. As long as Republicans will block immigration reform, or the White House or in Congress that this reform will not. At this reform will benefit hundreds of thousands of Poles. That is why immigration reform is a very important issue.
You are talking about immigration reform. Barack Obama promised her. Of course, this is not just a matter of the president. But Congress. It does not change the fact that the Democrats do not have coped with this problem for 8 years under Barack Obama. Moreover, we also remember the promise made to President Bronislaw Komorowski at the White House. Obama assured that visas will be lifted, and in this case too nothing has changed. Why would anyone believe that this time will be different?
Barack Obama from the beginning he wanted to solve the issue of visas as part of immigration reform. Here you have to give him credit, he did more in this respect than anyone else when it comes to immigration reform. It seems to me that he was very brave in the presentation of several directives, which were also controversial, but really did more than anyone else. Unfortunately, these reforms have been blocked by the Supreme Court and the Congress, which is in the hands of the Republicans. Because he failed to realize this. We had the last four or five years a number of meetings with the administration, where we were assured that if immigration reform is reached, the matter of visas will be resolved and will be part of this reform. Of course, we fought well in Congress, and it seems to me that we were closer than ever before. For visa was 5 bills in Congress, which to some extent take the subject. After the attacks in Paris in November last year, the situation has changed dramatically, because politicians suddenly became interested in the program and began to ask the question whether this program is really right, and today has a raison d’etre. Thus, the whole program for visa-free travel is a question mark. From November this whole situation in Europe, these attacks are not conducive to this. We went back a few years. In fact, it seems to me that we as Polonia, we must adopt a new strategy and think about how to fight for the cause of visas.
Is Polonia can play a significant role in those elections? Poles nature do not go to vote …
Of course. If you look at the map and on the conditions in which these elections will actually be played – it’s only 5 states: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and lives in Pennsylvania million people admit to Polish roots … We can play a significant role. But in fact, part of the problem is that the Poles do not vote. They are not able to mobilize politically. If we could mobilize odegralibyśmy really significant role in this election. We as Poles we will certainly fight for the Polish voices. We will mobilize the Poles, because we really have huge political capital in their hands. There is a high time that we could use it. Not only as democrats. Regardless of who votes for whom. But the point is to Polonia went to the election, the Poles started to vote, and politicians realized that the Polish voice is significant and politicians began to approach him.
/ Paul Żuchowski / RMF FM
If Hillary Clinton wins the election, what will this presidency?
It seems to me it would be a presidency that really strengthen America. Hillary Clinton has a lot of experience. Her team consists of people who are really decades of experience in foreign policy, but when it comes to domestic issues. It seems to me that her presidency will be in a sense a continuation of the presidency of Barack Obama. The continuation of this policy of economic and social, which he introduced in recent years.
A few months ago no one expected that Donald Trump will win the primaries, and today has a higher support in the polls than Hillary Clinton. And other studies have shown that more than 60 percent of Americans do not trust Clinton, they say that it is not honest. It is worrying you?
No. Do not worry. After each convention of the party these polls go up for a specific candidate. This is a simple answer. Last week, all week on TV was shown the Republican convention and Donald Trump. So, naturally, that you can see it in the polls. Polls next week Show you the opposite trend. We still have a lot of time for the elections and the polls will change. The ultimate test of popularity of candidates will be the result of the election.
/ Paul Żuchowski / RMF FM
Bernie Sanders calls for unity in the party. He appealed to his supporters voted for Hillary Clinton, but when it comes to the streets of Philadelphia to – perhaps you noticed – mainly supporters see Sanders. They still shouting his name. Walking around in T-shirts with his picture. As if it was a convention during which he was declared a candidate for the Democratic Party in the upcoming elections.
Supporters of Bernie Sanders is more loud. They feel in some way injured. Bernie Sanders during his campaign began in some sense a social movement. These people represent more their loyalty to Bernie Sanders. Perhaps because they are more visible. However, it seems to me that these people will ultimately vote for Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders supported Hillary Clinton. It should be noted that Clinton has changed its position on several important issues, because she felt pressure from voters Bernie Sanders. Now lasts Convention. There are great emotions. But in the final point, these people will definitely vote for Hillary Clinton. Because the program will certainly be closer to them than the program of Donald Trump.
/ Paul Żuchowski / RMF FM
But the polls are not for her too optimistic. Do you have to change something in your campaigns?
I do not know whether something needs to change. It seems to me that it is on the right path. Clintons know how to conduct campaigns. Everything is thought out and recalculated. It seems to me that the convention and the speeches that we have heard so far show her other side. And it seems to me that this will change her image a bit. Until now shown her as a strong, determined the image has, and it seems to me that such a person is needed in the White House. Especially, that and the world and the country has so many problems.
Professor Richard Pipes, a former adviser to President Ronald Reagan said that when November comes to a duel between Trump and Clinton he, despite the fact that He is a Republican, vote for Clinton. How do you think: a lot can be such people who do not vote for the Republican candidate, because I do not like Trump?
I think so. The Donald Trump is a lot of things that we fear. Really. I think more Republicans come to the conclusion that this is not the person who should manage America and take the presidency. Definitely it seems to me that it will be a large group of Republicans who will vote for Hillary Clinton or you just will not take part in the elections.
/ Paul Żuchowski / RMF FM
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